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Posted 11/7/2008 8:58:16 AM


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When in history has a losing VP candidate ever gotten this much attention. Seems tome maybe some people are afraid of her?


I am afraid of her. I've never been afraid of black muslim terrorists or even misguided racists, but I am afraid of an America that would elect as its leader a person of less intellect and basic knowledge than your typical high school debater.   And, if you can't point out the difference between S. Africa and the rest of the world on a globe, you need to go back to High School and not become VP.

Are you not afraid of a president that doesn't know how many states we have in our own country?  Is Obama intelligent?  Can he lead?  How do we know?  He's a great speaker, no doubt.  After some of Biden's comments on the road - "boy-girl" versus "girl-girl", and "Hillary would have been a better choice"...

Palin may be all of what we are hearing, but realize that the Republican spin machine is working hard to get her out of the way for 2012 because She's a threat to the Republican apparatchik.  And of course the Dems are more than happy to join in at this point. 

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Posted 11/7/2008 9:25:48 AM
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Evensplit (11/7/2008)
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When in history has a losing VP candidate ever gotten this much attention. Seems tome maybe some people are afraid of her?


I am afraid of her. I've never been afraid of black muslim terrorists or even misguided racists, but I am afraid of an America that would elect as its leader a person of less intellect and basic knowledge than your typical high school debater.   And, if you can't point out the difference between S. Africa and the rest of the world on a globe, you need to go back to High School and not become VP.

Are you not afraid of a president that doesn't know how many states we have in our own country?  Is Obama intelligent?  Can he lead?  How do we know?  He's a great speaker, no doubt.  After some of Biden's comments on the road - "boy-girl" versus "girl-girl", and "Hillary would have been a better choice"...

Palin may be all of what we are hearing, but realize that the Republican spin machine is working hard to get her out of the way for 2012 because She's a threat to the Republican apparatchik.  And of course the Dems are more than happy to join in at this point. 

 

There's a big difference between someone making a mistake during a live speech and a campaign aid coming to the striking realization that his VP candidate doesn't know what a continent is.

It was a bad idea for McCain to choose a VP candidate that would lose in a game of "Who's Smarter than a Fifth Grader."

And the only reason I point it out is because I might have voted for McCain if he had chosen someone who could fog a mirror.  This lady is a total quack.

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Posted 11/7/2008 9:51:50 AM


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I hope your jaw doesn't hurt too bad from the hook becuse you've been fished in by the party - both of them.

And I'll ask again - who would have been a better pick?  I'm honestly curious because I couldn't think of anyone that would have been a better call at this time.  A republican senator would have been crucified by the press for having helped cause all of this mess anyway, and one of the other governors that has future plans would have been a fool to jump into a largely doomed campaign.

 

   

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Posted 11/7/2008 6:55:11 PM


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I hope your jaw doesn't hurt too bad from the hook becuse you've been fished in by the party - both of them.

And I'll ask again - who would have been a better pick? I'm honestly curious because I couldn't think of anyone that would have been a better call at this time. A republican senator would have been crucified by the press for having helped cause all of this mess anyway, and one of the other governors that hasfuture plans would have been a fool to jump into a largely doomed campaign.





You're right. The republicans got us into this mess so any choice from them would have been bad. If you want the truth, the strategy from McCain was pretty good. He avoided GWB at all costs. He didn't let W campaign for him or endorse him and he didnt' trot out the entombed body of Cheney or George HW Bush. He didn't trot out Nancy Reagan - partly because she hates him because he's a wife cheating dirtbag - and he didn't march out Powell or Schwarzkopf because they wouldn't endorse him.

The best strategy the GOP could have taken this time would have been to bad mouth Bush, declare that they're not rightwing ideologue religious fundamentalists, endorse Obama or Hillary and declare that the only reason they're Rs is because that's what they had to do to get on the ballot.

then, they might have won. Otherwise, it was a slaughter because the US populace, as dumb as it is, knows that deregulation brought on the financial collapse and that GOP fat cats were the only ones getting rich over the past 8 years. despite all the 'redistribution" bs, the regular guy on the street knows Exxon is run by Rs and that the big money Lobbyists are Rs and that WalMart supports Rs and that Obama was not an R.

Easypeasy.


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Posted 11/7/2008 8:46:47 PM
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Richer Americans are Democrats

An article in The Washington Times alerted me to research from 6th November by Michael Franc at The Heritage Foundation.  Mr Franc shows that the wealthiest Americans are increasingly likely to vote Democrat:

"Democrats now control the majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional jurisdictions. More than half of the wealthiest households are concentrated in the 18 states where Democrats control both Senate seats.  This new political demography holds true in the House of Representatives, where the leadership of each party hails from different worlds. Nancy Pelosi, Democratic leader of the House of Representatives, represents one of America's wealthiest regions. Her San Francisco district has more than 43,700 high-end households. Fewer than 7,000 households in the western Ohio district of House Republican leader John Boehner enjoy this level of affluence."

And if that's surprising to some we should also remember the recent Arthur Brooks research that showed that conservatives give more to good causes:

"People who identify themselves as conservatives donate money to charity more often than people who identify themselves as liberals. They donate more money and a higher percentage of their incomes.  It is not that conservatives have more money. Liberal families average 6 percent higher incomes than conservative families." (Thomas Sowell for RealClearPolitics).

To greater and lesser extents the same breakdown of the income-voting relationship is happening across the world.  The path to conservative voters is not necessarily along a gravel path anymore.  George W Bush had to win over the soccer moms.  John Howard won four times with the votes of 'battlers' - and lost the premiership when they deserted him.  Stephen Harper has his 'Tim Horton' voters.  Electoral coalition-building is much more interesting as values compete with income as a determinant of voting behaviour.



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Posted 11/7/2008 9:19:16 PM


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I didn't say that the Republicans put us in this mess, and to try to limit the responsibility in such a way is the simpletons way out - not your style, and I know you're smarter than that.

As the president, W will bear the responsibility, and the Republicans will pay the price in the long term, but the shallow argument could just as easily be made that we were fine 2 years ago before the democrats gained power in congress.  Bill Clinton himself stated in an interview that the seeds of the economic problem were sewn a long time ago, and that it was allowed to grow even during his administration as well.  I've actually gained a lot of respect for ol slick willie here lately because he's been pretty straight forward about the issue, and has been largely reluctant to throw stones.

I hope that Obama is able to make the world a better place and fix all the BS, but if he cannot, what responsibility will he ultimately bear? 

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Posted 11/7/2008 11:05:37 PM


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captwesrozier (11/7/2008)
hal...

It is not that conservatives have more money. Liberal families average 6 percent higher incomes than conservative families.

Geee I wonder what role Christianity plays into that?????



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