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| I say they change the flounder minimum size to 14 inches and change the bag limit from 10 per person to 5 per person I just don't understand what one person does with 40 flounder fillets at one time? (if you freeze them they just don't taste the same!) and how much meat do you really get from a 12 inch flounder, when you can pick the fish up to a light and see completely through it i think you should toss it back.
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| honestly.... if i go and kill 10, i know what i'm what gonna do with 'em long before i catch 'em..... usually the ONLY time i'll limit out is about 4-5 days before thanksgiving..... turkey is over-rated....... have 10 stuffed flounder for thanksgiving dinner. woooo... not too long!
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I release alot of fish but when it comes to flounder I say Kill 'em All
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Well, with my recent performance, I make up for every limit that the experienced guys get all of the time with my lackluster creel of 3-5 fish tops.
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Mingo
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what is the point? it is hard enough for some people (not me) to get a limit of nice flounder. when they do get a limit half are about 12 1/2 inches
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Mingo
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I mean recreational limit (freespool)
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| reeltrouble...do you know when a flounder becomes mature? do you know the difference between a gulf flounder and a southern flounder? do you know what the ratio of males are between females? do you know which is larger the male or the female? tight lines!
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I actually agree. A 12" flounder is too small to keep, and I think the limit should be 5 fish. I think 15 sheephead is too much, it should be 5. I know there is only one time of year when we catch a bunch of sheephead but it's when the fish group up to spawn, not a good time to blood bath their asses like happens every spring. Same with the flounder in the fall, they go to the gulf to spawn but a lot get killed before they get there. I am not for killing less of everything, but with sheephead and flounder it should be less. I think snapper should be 4 fish a person with no closed seasons in state or federal.
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Matt Mcleod (8/20/2008)
I actually agree. A 12" flounder is too small to keep, and I think the limit should be 5 fish. I think 15 sheephead is too much, it should be 5. I know there is only one time of year when we catch a bunch of sheephead but it's when the fish group up to spawn, not a good time to blood bath their asses like happens every spring. Same with the flounder in the fall, they go to the gulf to spawn but a lot get killed before they get there. I am not for killing less of everything, but with sheephead and flounder it should be less. I think snapper should be 4 fish a person with no closed seasons in state or federal.i like the way you think!!!
  
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This coming from a guy who's signature is "big fish little fish it doesn't matter they're all fish!" 
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| I agree with this too. 5 flounder per person would be fine. Im sure everyone has noticed that there has not been as many flounder in the last few years. Im sure alot of people will disagree with me on this but I wish they would put strict regulations on gigging flounder. Its extremely easy to gig a fish that doesnt move when you shine a light on it.
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Brant Peacher (8/20/2008)
I agree with this too. 5 flounder per person would be fine. Im sure everyone has noticed that there has not been as many flounder in the last few years. Im sure alot of people will disagree with me on this but I wish they would put strict regulations on gigging flounder. Its extremely easy to gig a fish that doesnt move when you shine a light on it. i dont know if you have ever flounder gigged b4 but if you havent its something you should try...its not as easy as 1,2,3 you dont just go around shining and sticking flounder...... if ya ever want to go ill let you sit on the front of my floundering rig and see just how many you can get.....
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Ive gigged all my life and enjoy it. I just think with a little tighter regs we would see more flounder. Thats all!
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| i want to see a 5 fish creel with limit exceptions (ex...1 redfish or cobia per person) minimum size limit 13 inches...the majority of fish become mature at 10 to 12 inches...ex...specks, flounder (males), white trout, pompano and spanish to name a few. tight lines
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great info keep it comming!
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| As far as the "flounder that are frozen are not as good when thawed" argument I totally disagree. If you freeze flounder surrounded by water, I guarantee that, even after 6 months to a year, when thawed they are just as good to eat as fresh. Years ago. I would keep a freezer full of flounder year around. I was careful to date and rotate them so that first in were first out, and they were always good. They are a tight fleshed fish with little or no skin taste so they are very tolerant of freezing.
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| i am with whalersailor...flounder are one of few fish that are still excellent frozen...the key to frozen fish as he stated is to freeze in water or vacum seal...then make sure first in is first out! tight lines!
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reeltrouble (8/19/2008)
I say they change the flounder minimum size to 14 inches and change the bag limit from 10 per person to 5 per person I just don't understand what one person does with 40 flounder fillets at one time? (if you freeze them they just don't taste the same!) and how much meat do you really get from a 12 inch flounder, when you can pick the fish up to a light and see completely through it i think you should toss it back. You obviously don't catch or eat much flounder: - 40 filets makes a good fish fry.
- Flounder freeze better than any fish out there.
- There's sufficient size filets on a 12" flounder. They fry up crisper/firmer.
- And who the hell has time to hold a fish up to a light? I can see light through a jumbo shrimp and a 16oz ribeye and I'm sure not going to throw them away.
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Matt Mcleod (8/20/2008)
I actually agree. A 12" flounder is too small to keep, and I think the limit should be 5 fish. I think 15 sheephead is too much, it should be 5. I know there is only one time of year when we catch a bunch of sheephead but it's when the fish group up to spawn, not a good time to blood bath their asses like happens every spring. Same with the flounder in the fall, they go to the gulf to spawn but a lot get killed before they get there. I am not for killing less of everything, but with sheephead and flounder it should be less. I think snapper should be 4 fish a person with no closed seasons in state or federal.I also agree with everything said here. It's not good to hit them the hardest when they are spawning. The only thing I would add to this is I think the Snapper limit should be the first 4 regardless of size to keep people from throwing back countless #'s of undersized fish that are going to die anyway.
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With a family of 5, I would like to tell you that 5 flounder would feed us for 1 meal. Now factor in the expenses to go gigging for 1 trip and it would be cheaper for me to go to the fish market. Now as far as the size limit, I would agree with you with that. Sounds to me like you have gigging envy.
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| matt is waving my flag on this issue. and wes, dont take to too personal. a lot of the morphology may not be all that relative. but, with regard to size and QUALITY egg production, larger is better. a 12" flounder may be able to produce eggs, but common studies show that older females produce up to 10X more. in any event, i dont think it has anything to do with 'envy' of any sort. it has everything to do with protecting a resource. im sure DFA, MR and the other prolific giggers would actually say the same thing. without that resource, they have no game to chase. an increase in min size limits will certainly only benefit. and the giggers are the first ones to be able to do just that. they can control the size they gig. hook and line would see some mortality from deep hooked undersized fish, but overall an increase in average sizes would be the long-term outcome. frozen fish are never as good as fresh. only my grandpa froze fish 'in water' (and probably in a milk carton). in the 21st century we use vacuum bags. (actually freezing in water does reduce the opportunites for freezer burn, but actively breaks down the moisture in the individual cells--causing cell walls to rupture and thereby making a dry, tough food. i have fished (and gigged) since the days of walking down johnson beach with a broom handle gig, and a coleman lantern. those days are gone. how 'bout the days of posts on here of 40 fish nights? might be gone before we know it--if we dont regulate the resources. i'll gladly support the rights of our giggers to keep a limit of 10 fish. but i'll also fully support efforts to reduce that limit and increase minimum sizes. for the betterment of the resource. cheers. drew
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Drew Mixon (8/21/2008)
matt is waving my flag on this issue. and wes, dont take to too personal. a lot of the morphology may not be all that relative. but, with regard to size and QUALITY egg production, larger is better. a 12" flounder may be able to produce eggs, but common studies show that older females produce up to 10X more. in any event, i dont think it has anything to do with 'envy' of any sort. it has everything to do with protecting a resource. im sure DFA, MR and the other prolific giggers would actually say the same thing. without that resource, they have no game to chase. an increase in min size limits will certainly only benefit. and the giggers are the first ones to be able to do just that. they can control the size they gig. hook and line would see some mortality from deep hooked undersized fish, but overall an increase in average sizes would be the long-term outcome. frozen fish are never as good as fresh. only my grandpa froze fish 'in water' (and probably in a milk carton). in the 21st century we use vacuum bags. (actually freezing in water does reduce the opportunites for freezer burn, but actively breaks down the moisture in the individual cells--causing cell walls to rupture and thereby making a dry, tough food. i have fished (and gigged) since the days of walking down johnson beach with a broom handle gig, and a coleman lantern. those days are gone. how 'bout the days of posts on here of 40 fish nights? might be gone before we know it--if we dont regulate the resources. i'll gladly support the rights of our giggers to keep a limit of 10 fish. but i'll also fully support efforts to reduce that limit and increase minimum sizes. for the betterment of the resource. cheers. drew Well said Drew.
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drew...none taken! i am trying to find studies on flounder but with speckle trout over 65% of the hatchlings come from specks that are 10 to 22 inches long...with these fish having way less eggs tells me there eggs are more viable than a female which is say 6 lbs 26 inches long...so the amount of eggs produced does not mean a larger yield of hatchlings. kind of like humans...women more fertile at a younger age but still produce eggs as they get older but not as fertile. i have always said when catching a BIG flounder or Speck it is really better to keep...they are less likely to survive the battle...handling and releasing back into their envorinment. they r usually on their last 25% of their life. the fish we should be releasing are the midrange fish. these fish i believe are more able to survive release back into the water
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I do pass up 12" 13" flounder so the size limit is of no concern to me but as stated above, For the money I spend to go hunt them WHEN I can get a limit of 10 I would love to be able to keep them. Tell me this, Why is every one pissed about the red snapper limit getting cut back over and over but yet could care less to give up the flounder bag limit. A flounder limit is a hell of alot harder to come by.
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reeltrouble (8/19/2008)
I say they change the flounder minimum size to 14 inches and change the bag limit from 10 per person to 5 per person I just don't understand what one person does with 40 flounder fillets at one time? (if you freeze them they just don't taste the same!) and how much meat do you really get from a 12 inch flounder, when you can pick the fish up to a light and see completely through it i think you should toss it back. the only part of what you said here that i can agree with is size. i will pass up a 12-13" flounder when i have none in the boat. make the size limit 14" and that will be just fine with me. but making the limit 5 per person...thats just as bad as the snapper regs. there are just as many flounder out there now. just have to be able to search and find them. i have over $1000 in my flounder set up...thats just the setup...not including the price of the boat. there are nights i go and come home empty handed and nights i go and get my limit of good fish. i dont mess with the fall run. too many boats fighting over beach for me. i do it through out the year and that makes me happy. like others have already said...flounder taste just as good frozen for 6+ months as they do fresh off the fish cleaning table.
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Reducing recreational flounder bag limits and size minimums is useless as long was we have commercial shrimp boats sweeping up and killing billions of juvenile flounders as by-catch.
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Death From Above (8/21/2008)
Reducing recreational flounder bag limits and size minimums is useless as long was we have commercial shrimp boats sweeping up and killing billions of juvenile flounders as by-catch.
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murphyslaw (8/21/2008)
I do pass up 12" 13" flounder so the size limit is of no concern to me but as stated above, For the money I spend to go hunt them WHEN I can get a limit of 10 I would love to be able to keep them. Tell me this, Why is every one pissed about the red snapper limit getting cut back over and over but yet could care less to give up the flounder bag limit. A flounder limit is a hell of alot harder to come by.that's sorta the point...there are tons and tons of snapper--yet the bag limit keeps getting reduced. but, as you pointed out, a flounder limit is harder to come by, so does is not hold true that flounder (in general) are harder to come by? if there is a lot of something, then make the bag limit sustainably higher. if something is 'harder to come by', then make the bag limit sustainably lower--in all hopes that the resource is shared and is allowed to prosper. seems we are doing the exact opposite with snapper, and leaving other species unchecked--as matt pointed out--flounder and sheephead. here's another variable for the equasion--how 'bout the presumed increase of inshore boaters and anglers now, and the upcoming seasons? economy is in rough shape. fuel prices arent going to be sub-$3 ever again. wouldnt it stand to reason that all those (me included) anglers who used to fish offshore can no longer afford it, and will be putting more pressure on the inshore fishery? i know i plan to. i'll not spend my hard earned money to chase 2 red snapper (that tastes yucky to me, anyway), when i can spend a fraction of my time, money and fuel to catch a 'box full' of trout, redfish or flounder. i dare say that same sentiment will be shared by thousands of anglers around the state. $1000 for 'rigging'? we used to spend that on fuel in a weekend. times are changing. for a good many folks. the bay boat market is booming for a reason. offshore boats sit on lots all over the country. the pressure on the inshore fisheries in the gulf is just getting rolling. (and comparing what it costs for rigging, to the price of fish in the market--you are on the water for the wrong reasons. the only way to 'get ahead' in dollars vs. fillets is to eat a lot of netted mullet!!!!) its not a soap box for me, honestly. but i am a long-time fan of sustainable limits--for both recreationals and commercials. flounder, trout, mullet, shrimp--whatever. and oh Lord, dont get me started on the shrimpboat-rape of our bay systems. if i had case of handgrenades and some scuba gear... wes, the latest numbers i took the time to read were from Southern, and of inshore stocks--trout, redfish, flounder, croakers, the mid-range fish were indeed made up the largest numbers of prolific breeders. the 'older fish/less eggs' does stand true, but in the case of inshore species, the general mortality of those fish precluded them from breeding stocks, for more than a season or two. thats just what i remember. i wouldnt bet the farm on it, but it seems plausable enough. cheers. drew
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