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| I am quite curious how this guy, T. Boone Pickens, fits into the present political picture??? I just saw his ad on TV for a new save-all concept for using natural gas for the power that we get from gasoline now. It seems very timely and convenient that his ads show up on TV just this summer when the political theater is heating up in tune for the November elections and gas has hit a new high. I am betting that we will see his face hanging around in the background sooner than later after the new president is in place. I'll bet that he has some kind of plan to make a bundle for himself and will come to the surface when all the election brewhaha calms down!! What do you think he is up to???
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| His name is T. Boone Pickens. He is a multi-billionaire oilman. I don't think you should look for him to be appointed to any office, as he has no interest in such positions. Of course he stands to make money if his propositions are followed. Whats wrong with that? This country needs men like him willing to lay what they have on the line in order to advance our country.
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| No matter what his motive is , think about what he said. We have 3% of the oil reserves but we use 25% of the worlds reserves. Does that sound like a good long term plan? That 3% includes all untapped reserves. He is warning that there is an ax over our heads, I wonder what he is up to ?
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| T. Boone Pickens as has been said. Interesting guy, has some cool energy ideas and is building a huge windfarm in Texas. Don't think he has aspirations for Washington though. His website is www.pickensplan.com
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Sorry for the misnomer, I must have had Boone & Crockett on my mind at the time!! Duh!  I should know better than to try to post before my first cup of coffee in the morning!
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| he would be taking a hell of a paycut to woirk in any political office... but his plan has merit and of course he was smart enough to buy a buttload of wind energy stocks before he announced it, the problem is I have heard there is already a ten year lag in production of carbon fiber wind turbines which he wants millions of and the supposed infrastructure costs of moving the energy out of the desolate places it has to be generated are a trillion bucks which he wants funded by tax dollars....but at least he is trying something to crreate energy independence..his natural gas plans are good...
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| I know you asked politically but here's a different side of Pickens if you're curious..... http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2006-08-15-pickens-oklahoma-state-donation_x.htm "With a gift like that, of course, they're going to be respectful and I'm going to be asked my opinion on things. It doesn't mean that I'm running anything," he says. "I don't want to get into personnel. I've never told a football coach at OSU, ever, 'Hey, you should play that guy at quarterback.' Or, 'You ought to run more up the middle or pass more.' I'd never be over there jerking people around or something like that. That's not my personality." Here is the stadium website they named after him. Only 60K seats but will be state of the art. Videos show what it will look like. WOW! http://www.okstate.com/fls/200/cam/history3.php In 2003, Lewis Field was renamed Boone Pickens Stadium after OSU alum T. Boone Pickens made what was then the single-largest gift in school history. His $70 million gift ($20 million of which was earmarked for stadium expansion) spurred the “Next Level Campaign”, which generated more than $100 million in gifts and pledges, involving more than 2,500 individuals. Pickens capped the fundraising effort in 2006 with the momentous gift of an additional $165 million to OSU Athletics, the largest ever received by a university athletic department. The west end zone project has become perhaps the signature construction phase of the entire Next Level campaign. When completed, this massive structure serve as the new headquarters for the Cowboy coaching staff with offices at the club level. The west end zone will also house a new OSU locker room, speed and strength center, equipment room, hall of fame, athletic training center, theater room, meeting rooms, video operations, media center, and dining area. The west end zone is so inclusive that Bullet will have his own stall.
The completed horseshoe will raise seating capacity to 60,000 and will put in place more than 100 suites around the rim of the stadium. Current plans call for multiple video boards and a ribbon board that will encircle the stadium.
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The ol boy has invested a ton in wind and now is selling it to us, I meant looking out for us. Just a business man, nothing wrong with that, he will push the wind power on us and us taxpayers will foot the bill for the infrastructure (power lines, ect..) to get it all hooked up. Smart man, because in a "crises" you will be able to fast track the infrastructure permitting and emanate domain actions.
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Bowed Up (9/5/2008)
he will push the wind power on us and us taxpayers will foot the bill for the infrastructure (power lines, ect..) to get it all hooked up. I'd rather my tax dollars be spent here in the US on renewable resources and energy independence, as oppose to it going over seas to the Middle East and other oil nations. Maybe thats just me though?
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Bowed Up (9/5/2008) he will push the wind power on us and us taxpayers will foot the bill for the infrastructure (power lines, ect..) to get it all hooked up. I'd rather my tax dollars be spent here in the US on renewable resources and energy independence, as oppose to it going over seas to the Middle East and other oil nations. Maybe thats just me though? I'm all with that just reading between the lines. You know the deal, here's this great thing I'm trying to do for America while I'm making a killing and getting y'all to foot the bill. I'm more of a geothermal leaning person. Drill down till it gets hot pump in water to make steam to turn a turbine. That will be clean and renewable. I wonder if T-boone is looking for carbon credits also? Either way we are all thinking along the same lines and someone will make a killing off of this new national search for clean energy. Better than making money off of a war
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| "I know you asked politically but here's a different side of Pickens if you're curious....." Yeah, I linked the question politically out of ignorance, I don't get into political subjects or debates at all as they tend to make for nothing more than verbal food fights and I am the last person to try to change someone's convictions on their political views!! I was more curious as to his plan and his intentions for gas and wind power. I know nothing about the man and I probably will spend way too much time Googling him and all the links that are hooked directly to his plans but I was just asking to see if anyone knew of his intentions before I went the Google route. I tend to eat up an entire afternoon reading one site after another when I do that and I thought this would be quicker.
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Well, please post a synopsis when you're done researching! I have been somewhat facinated by the turbine power concept but never had (or more so taken) time to research it thoroughly.
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he would be taking a hell of a paycut to woirk in any political office... but his plan has merit and of course he was smart enough to buy a buttload of wind energy stocks before he announced it, the problem is I have heard there is already a ten year lag in production of carbon fiber wind turbines which he wants millions of and the supposed infrastructure costs of moving the energy out of the desolate places it has to be generated are a trillion bucks which he wants funded by tax dollars....but at least he is trying something to crreate energy independence..his natural gas plans are good... Seems you may be a bit confused. Not trying to be a dick but his wind and natural gas "plans" are tied together. In a nutshell We buy $700 billion a year in imported oil 22% of our domestic energy is produced by natural gas Wind can generate that 22% thus freeing up the natural gas to be used in transportation. This would take $300 billion dollars that is currently sent overseas and bring it home. As far as T. Boone Pickens, he is 80 years old and worth somewhere north of $3 BILLION. I don't think he is in it for the money(though he certainly makes alot) and he is too old for politics. Check out his website, there is a short 5 minute video that is fairly convincing...you can't help but like him. As a side note he drives a Honda Civic GX that runs on natural gas. He plugs it in at night in the garage and wakes up with a full tank. He is a billionaire and is paying $1.50 a gallon for fuel. Makes me feel stupid everytime I fill up at $3.65!
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This was in the Wall Street Journal... In response to this recent article by Holman Jenkins, the Wall Street Journal printed the below letter from T. Boone. This Is My Plan for American Energy, What’s Yours? I read Holman Jenkins’s “Boone Doggle” (Business World, Aug. 6) about my energy plan and I’m convinced that he hasn’t even read my plan. So for the benefit of Mr. Jenkins and his readers, I’ll go over it again. There are two numbers everybody should keep in mind. The first is 70% — that’s how much of our oil comes from foreign nations. The second is $700 billion — that’s how much of our money is sent overseas to pay for that oil every year. Mr. Jenkins argues that this isn’t technically a “transfer of wealth.” You can call it whatever you want, but common sense would call it a crisis. It’s hitting every part of the economy, and it’s only going to get worse because we consume 25% of the world’s oil, but we only have 3% of the oil reserves. For years we paid foreign nations to send us their oil and didn’t worry about it because it was cheap. But now it’s not and it matters a great deal. We’ve had warnings before. Some of us remember the oil embargo of 1973. Back then we were importing less than 30% of our oil but it was still a crisis. And what did we learn? Today we’re importing nearly 70%. We all have — and I emphasize all — allowed our nation’s energy future to rest in the hands of foreign interests. And if we need to know how dangerous it is to rely on other countries for our energy, just look at what’s happening in Georgia. Yes, we buy some oil from our friends, but we also buy from some who aren’t so friendly. We have to develop domestic energy alternatives and set ourselves on the road to self-sufficiency. Ultimately, that will mean using domestic renewable energy to generate electricity and power our vehicles. Unfortunately, clean, renewable fuels for transportation aren’t ready yet. So here’s my plan to break the foreign stranglehold. It starts with wind. A Department of Energy study says we can generate 20% of our electricity from wind. I believe that with private investment and proven technology, we can generate 20% of our electricity from wind within 10 years — which happens to be the same amount we currently generate using America’s natural gas. Moving to wind power will allow us to conserve domestic natural gas for transportation. It’s cheaper, it’s cleaner, the technology is ready now and it’s abundant — America only has 20 billion barrels of oil and we’re trying to drill for a few billion more, but we already have the natural gas equivalent of 110 billion barrels in proven reserves and 170 billion more that are being accessed through new technology. But most importantly, natural gas buys us one thing money can’t buy — time — the time to develop the renewable fuels that will finally end foreign oil’s stranglehold on the U.S. That’s my plan — to harness domestic resources to reduce the impact of foreign oil and buy us time to perfect the next generation of clean renewables, allowing us to invest more of that $700 billion a year in our own destiny. I don’t expect everyone to agree with it, but I think it’s a good one. My father used to tell me that a fool with a plan is better than a genius with no plan. So I ask, what’s Mr. Jenkins’s plan? T. Boone Pickens Dallas
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| The following link is to Mr. Pickens' presentation to the congressional committee. It is long - about 1 hour 10 minutes, but includes the questions by the members during his presentation. He has a plan, and is looking out 30 years. This is the only long range plan for decreasing our dependency on foreign oil AND converting to another (more than 1) energy source. The main thing, is that his gas, wind, and railroad ideas are designed to give us time to find/develop another energy source. It may be one of the more interesting hours of testimony you have ever heard or ever will. Anyone who is interested owes it to themselves to take a little over an hour and listen and absorb what he is saying. And yes, there is probably something headed for his wallet from this plan, but WHO cares. If he can lead us out of this dilemma we are in, it is worth it. Just remember, he has a plan - and he is probably the only one looking ahead as far as 30 years. That in itself is worth the time to become familiar with the plan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOczaEzzxaM&feature=related
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| I believe that the turbines/generators for his plan are to be build at GE in Pensacola..I getting old but seems to remember reading that somewhere. BBob
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As far as T. Boone Pickens, he is 80 years old and worth somewhere north of $3 BILLION. I don't think he is in it for the money(though he certainly makes alot) and he is too old for politics. No offense but it seems to me the older and richer the businessman gets, the more he's in it for the money. Not saying this guy doesn't deserve to make more or that his energy proposals are off target, just saying.
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This old man is a little different than your average billionaire. I think the plan has a lot of validity. Now will the large corporations allow it to come to fruition? I doubt it but would love to see it work.
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38bat (9/5/2008) Seems you may be a bit confused. No, turns out I'm not, his wind plans are fine except for the monster infrastructure problems.. his NG plans are much more attainable in the next 3 decades... the private sector price for the rigs is 300 Billion.... the public sector price for distribution is much much more... 38bat (9/5/2008) As far as T. Boone Pickens, he is 80 years old and worth somewhere north of $3 BILLION. I don't think he is in it for the money(though he certainly makes alot) and he is too old for politics. Check out his website, there is a short 5 minute video that is fairly convincing...you can't help but like him. As a side note he drives a Honda Civic GX that runs on natural gas. He plugs it in at night in the garage and wakes up with a full tank. He is a billionaire and is paying $1.50 a gallon for fuel. Makes me feel stupid everytime I fill up at $3.65! You misunderstand, I actually like the guy, but... I don't care if he's 138 he is still spending a ton buying up stocks he is promoting for public programs...I don't blame him a bit, but he isn't entirely altruistic... and in addition to that cute little car he flies a couple of G550s around too....
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The ol boy has invested a ton in wind and now is selling it to us, I meant looking out for us. Just a business man, nothing wrong with that, he will push the wind power on us and us taxpayers will foot the bill for the infrastructure (power lines, ect..) to get it all hooked up. Smart man, because in a "crises" you will be able to fast track the infrastructure permitting and emanate domain actions. I'd be buying if the main part of his plan was nuclear with reenergized cores. (French are currently producing 80% of their own power this way and selling the surplus) Its clean less infrastructure and technology is far more advanced. Another "Infrastructure" problem with wind turbines are the LAW SUITS. Nobody wants these large wind farms in their back yards. (King Ranch currently in litagation to stop several in east Texas and Kennedys are stoping one from going in within veiw of their vacation island.)
 
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Brent (9/5/2008) he would be taking a hell of a paycut to woirk in any political office...
but his plan has merit and of course he was smart enough to buy a buttload of wind energy stocks before he announced it, the problem is I have heard there is already a ten year lag in production of carbon fiber wind turbines which he wants millions of and the supposed infrastructure costs of moving the energy out of the desolate places it has to be generated are a trillion bucks which he wants funded by tax dollars....but at least he is trying something to crreate energy independence..his natural gas plans are good...
You guys really don't like anything about him. You're forgetting that he advocates Capital Gains tax equal taxes on other income. That's right. He's a rich guy who thinks he should pay at least the same rate on CAPGAINS as his secretary pays on her salary. Liberale!
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The ol boy has invested a ton in wind and now is selling it to us, I meant looking out for us. Just a business man, nothing wrong with that, he will push the wind power on us and us taxpayers will foot the bill for the infrastructure (power lines, ect..) to get it all hooked up. Smart man, because in a "crises" you will be able to fast track the infrastructure permitting andemanate domain actions.
I'd be buying if the main part of his plan was nuclear with reenergized cores. (French are currently producing 80% of their own power this way and selling the surplus) Its clean less infrastructure and technology is far more advanced.
Another "Infrastructure" problem with wind turbines are the LAW SUITS. Nobody wants these large wind farms in their back yards. (King Ranch currently in litagation to stop several in east Texas and Kennedys are stoping one from going in within veiw of their vacation island.)
I think we should do both. And screw the idiots who don't want to look at them. They're either idiots or shills for the oil companies.
As a person from a family with large property interests in the TX panhandle and north into OK and Colorado and NM, I can tell you that Boone Pickens' checks don't bounce. He's an old school guy and whether he's in it for another billion or not, I approve. We're spending fed dollars to fight overseas wars to protect oil infrastructure. A little reorganization and we're spending that money advancing our own country and getting off the teet of the ME. Good times.
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| Let me say that I do not have a horse in this race other than being concerned what the future holds. A couple things to consider. As far as I can tell his plan is to use wind to free up natural gas so I am not sure how they could be independent plans. If you are curious, go to his website www.pickensplan.com . He is not the Messiah and his plan is not perfect but there certainly is validity to energy independence. In regards to his G550(sweet) and his hybrid car I heard him explain recently that gas prices were really not an issue that effects him(He can buy alot of gas). He is not running for office and doesn't claim poverty. I am sure that he is investing in what he believes in. If it doesn't work then he is out his investment and if it does than his billions continue to grow. He is a huge philanthropist and seems to be a pretty decent guy. I am no expert and don't know if his plan is entirely viable but hey at least he has a plan. As to the "Not in my backyard" part of wind... the only experience I have is in Montana where I hunt. Small farming town and very depressed. They welcomed the wind farm because it meant jobs and income for their local economy. While I am sure the Kennedy's wouldn't want to see them at their beach house, I doubt very much that a dying town in Nebraska would worry about the "Look".
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Brent (9/5/2008) he would be taking a hell of a paycut to woirk in any political office...
but his plan has merit and of course he was smart enough to buy a buttload of wind energy stocks before he announced it, the problem is I have heard there is already a ten year lag in production of carbon fiber wind turbines which he wants millions of and the supposed infrastructure costs of moving the energy out of the desolate places it has to be generated are a trillion bucks which he wants funded by tax dollars....but at least he is trying something to create energy independence..his natural gas plans are good...You guys really don't like anything about him. You're forgetting that he advocates Capital Gains tax equal taxes on other income. That's right. He's a rich guy who thinks he should pay at least the same rate on CAPGAINS as his secretary pays on her salary. Liberale! I guess you missed the parts I will now highlight.... as for capital gains taxes why not make them 80% if it will cause so much more income? but I have never heard him make that case, the pithy secretary line was from Warren Buffett.
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