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Posted 10/28/2008 9:35:47 PM
Ruby Red Lip

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Hey fellas, Couple new questions for the pros:

1.  I don't guess it really matters when you're cutting 'em up for bait, but how do you tell the fifference between these little pinfish and grunts (i've heard people calling grunts hogfish too)?  Best I can tell, pinfish have yellow vertical stripes and grunts have horizontal stripes.  Am I right?  And is one any better than the other to fish live?

2.  The best way to tell the difference between a blue cat and a gaftop is the extra long whiskers and dorsal fin on the gaftop, right?  any other obvious clues?

3.  Also caught some strange juvie fish the other night, about 6 inches long, looked like a baby white trout but it had two long sharp upper front teeth and a few short jagged ones along the bottom jaw, never seen or noticed that before.  Sorry I don't have a pic but we threw them back just in case they were baby reds, I don't know.

4.  Gonna sound really stupid .......but is there anything illegal or unethical about throwing a castnet on top of a ray to catch it if it comes close enough.   Wanna try some wings if I can catch one

Thanks alot guys for your patience with my short-bus inquiries

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Posted 10/28/2008 10:34:29 PM


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pinfish dont grunt and pig fish do...if its a pigfish youll know cuz he'll be grunting away like crazy

also gaftops usually slime up your line more than hard heads.

the trout could have been a whit, they have teeth but also could have been a spec and they have to be a minimum of 15inches

as for the ray question i dont know but im 99% shure its not illegal

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Posted 10/29/2008 10:26:48 AM
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Just be sure that the ray is a sting ray. If it is floating in on top it might be an illegal ray.
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Posted 10/29/2008 10:28:04 AM
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Piffish constantly grunt and do not have the sharp fins that pinfish do. Pigfish are great bait for big specks.
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Posted 10/29/2008 11:19:55 AM


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Below is a pinfish

Here is a pigfish (grunt)

You can see that the pinfish are striped and the pigfish are blotted. The coloration is also noticibly different.  Also note the spot on the pinfish.  I hope this helps.

Also, sting rays are not the only rays you can keep.  Cow rays are legal to harvest according to an FWC office I spoke to last year.  I would recomend reading the latest regs though since so much has changed.  As far as I know the only rays that are protected are the eagle ray and the manta ray.

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Posted 10/29/2008 12:17:52 PM


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Nobody answered his which one makes the best live bait question.....so I will.

Neither one make good live bait.  Use the catfish.

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Posted 10/29/2008 12:30:44 PM
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In the 70's I used to commercial speckled trout fish with an old timer and we would seine our own bait. We through all the live shrimp, pinfish, etc.. away and only kept pig fish. They were outstanding bait for big specks.
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Posted 10/29/2008 1:13:45 PM


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yes the biggest trout i've seen have been caught on pigfish.......

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