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angus_cow_doctor (7/6/2009)
The key thing about those statistics is FATALITIES. Obviously, it needs to be a big dog to kill someone. I would be interested to know how many people were bitten by shi-tzus. Obviously, few to no fatalities, but I bet they account for alot of bites.
Not trying to defend pit bulls, but just trying to keep it real!
Anyone have any data onBITES reported to the health department?
I'll keep it real too. I'm not real worried about being attacked by a shi-tzu, but I'd be real concerned about a pit bull being attached to my leg. Anyone else change sides of the street for an unleashed shi-tzu?
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| I used to know a shih-tzu named Bubbie. Meanest dog I ever saw. He would try to attack you at any chance. You would have to hold him on a leash at arms length just to keep him from balling up on your leg and chewing on you. He would do a "doggie tornado" when you tried to muzzle him. Pee and poop everywhere. As Bubbie got older, he luckily lost teeth and could only gum people. He was a regular repeat customer for rabies quarantine. So to answer your post, I would have definitely crossed the street to avoid Bubbie. He has gone to doggie heaven now, probably biting St. Peter as we speak.
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| I have a neighbor that spent four hours in the emergency room after tangling with two Great Danes and a German Shepard. I have another neighbor that his shit-zoo bit his mother-in-law.I have a hog hunting partner in Wakulla County that has two pit bulls he uses for catch dogs. They are NOT pets!!!
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heard bout that on the news. its so sad to hear bout such a traggic event. prayers to the family whose child it was
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I know what you are saying fishwater. People think pit bulls make them look tough or give them some "street cred". And No its not about how you train them it`s how they have been bred over the years. I have one friend that has a pit for a pet and much as i don`t want to lose him for a friend, I will if that damn dog gets close to my wife,son,or any other child.
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CHUMM BUCKET (7/6/2009)
I know what you are saying fishwater. People think pit bulls make them look tough or give them some "street cred". And No its not about how you train them it`s how they have been bred over the years. I have one friend that has a pit for a pet and much as i don`t want to lose him for a friend, I will if that damn dog gets close to my wife,son,or any other child. Breeding is what it's all about. You can't take a pit that was bred from fighting lines and make a nice dog out of him. It's like a whole different breed compared to those bred for family pets. Like the difference between working labs and show labs, entirely different breeders and genetics.
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for what it is worth i have been breeding two kinds of dogs for 10years now great danes and pit bulls. i will say this in that time i have had to put down two danes one bit my brother and another bit a little girl that lived next door to us vs not ever having one issue out of any of my pits. im from georgia where this is alot of pits breed and trined to fight and yah those dogs a would be scared of, just as i am now of my neighbors trained dobberman that is a trained watch dog for his wife for he is an over the road trucker. you think pits are bad try staring at a trained dobberman one time.
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quote]Fishwater (7/6/2009)
stringle (7/6/2009)
Fishwater (7/6/2009)
Google news for pit bulls, several more attacks over the holiday weekend. Spin it however you want, but statistics don't lie. Pits are more inclined to to unpredictable, aggressive behavior than any other breed.Or the news media is more likely to report a pit bull incident. I didn't see a bunch of news stories when the golden retriever bit the face off of a toddler at Bass Pro Shop in eastern FL.
Right, its a conspiracy. Here are facts from the CDC website, but you keep digging into this X File stringle. Pits are responsible for twice the number of dog attack fatalities than the next closest breed over the same period, these are only the lethal attacks.
Dog breeds and crossbreeds involved in dog-bite–related fatalities in the United States, 1979–1996
“Pit bull” 60
Rottweiler 29
German
shepherd 19
“Husky” 14
Alaskan
malamute 12
Doberman
Pinscher 8
Chow Chow 8
Great Dane 6
St. Bernard 4
Akita 4
[/quote]Easy bro, just pointing out media bias. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't own one or ever get near one on purpose. As far as those stats go, however, what do they really mean? One would have to know the quantities of those breeds for an accurate comparison. The breeds that are commonly referred to as "pit bulls" make up a significant number of the total dog population. Just sayin. I wouldn't have a 12 foot snake either!
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stringle (7/7/2009)
quote] Fishwater (7/6/2009)
stringle (7/6/2009)
Fishwater (7/6/2009)
Google news for pit bulls, several more attacks over the holiday weekend. Spin it however you want, but statistics don't lie. Pits are more inclined to to unpredictable, aggressive behavior than any other breed.
Or the news media is more likely to report a pit bull incident. I didn't see a bunch of news stories when the golden retriever bit the face off of a toddler at Bass Pro Shop in eastern FL.
Right, its a conspiracy. Here are facts from the CDC website, but you keep digging into this X File stringle. Pits are responsible for twice the number of dog attack fatalities than the next closest breed over the same period, these are only the lethal attacks.
Dog breeds and crossbreeds involved in dog-bite–related fatalities in the United States, 1979–1996
“Pit bull” 60
Rottweiler 29
German
shepherd 19
“Husky” 14
Alaskan
malamute 12
Doberman
Pinscher 8
Chow Chow 8
Great Dane 6
St. Bernard 4
Akita 4
Easy bro, just pointing out media bias. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't own one or ever get near one on purpose. As far as those stats go, however, what do they really mean? One would have to know the quantities of those breeds for an accurate comparison. The breeds that are commonly referred to as "pit bulls" make up a significant number of the total dog population. Just sayin. I wouldn't have a 12 foot snake either![/quote]
What media bias??? Are suggesting news outlets are targeting pit bulls?
You simply can not spin those numbers by suggesting that you need to know the quantities of the breeds. Thats ridiculous. I don't need to know how many lions are on the savannah to know that I'd rather not be out there with them.
You made some erroneous comments, don't try to defend them. Just sayin.
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| I've been bitten (pretty bad bites) by 3 dogs. One died instantly from a vertical but stroke (Remember bayonette training in BCT?) while my leg was still in his jaws. One lived about 10 minutes but it took me darn near 6 months to get the third. Big dogs that bite have no business being loose where they can roam. Little dogs that bite ought to be kept in doors or on leashes and under control. How do you suppose the 2 year old would do if he came into contact with the SHIT-Zoo mentioned above? The sale of reptiles or other animals that get big and dangerous ought to be monitored better than it is. If Boas and Pythons hadn't been readily available, there wouldn't be breeding populations of them in S. Florida.
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| I say we add something called RESPONSIBILITY back into this whole issue of animal ownership. If you have a dog, and it has teeth, it can bite someone. With enough provocation, even the nicest of dogs will bite. If you have a horse, and it has hooves, it can kick someone. With enough provocation, even the nicest of horses will kick. If you have a predatory animal, and it gets loose, it will do what it was born to do, which is hunt food and kill it. With all these things said, it is in the best interest of any animal owner to take appropriate measures to prevent their animal from injuring anyone. Will there be unexpected events leading to unforseen consequences? Yes. Can you still be held civilly and criminally responsible for these events as well as those that are predictable? Yes. As to the incidence of pit bull fatalities, I think that the point about the numbers of "pit Bull" style dogs included in the data is important. You would have to examine the data for the "p value" which will nullify any data that is statistically irrelevant or skewed, then you can make statements based on the data. That is all the previous guy meant when he was discussing the total number of dogs inclusive in the Pit Bull category.
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| This topic stsarted with snakes and went to the dawgs pretty fast. I'd like to add cats to the list of anoying pets. I take great care to keep my dawgs under my control but my neighbors cats are allowed to run all over the neighborhood pooping in peoples yards and catching birds and squirrels. The one time I let my dawgs out to run freely is when I see a cat in my yard.
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| i just got a phone call from my cousin and it seems that her neighbors kid was bitten on the legs yesterday afternoon and had to be taken to the hospital via ambulance. I know this will amaze everyone but it was one of those p.o.s. pitbulls. This happened in seminole, al. If it hits the news i will be sure to post it on here just incase this story sounds too unbelievable. sorry to continue the snake derailment but thats where this thread has ended up.
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| I can't believe a pit bull actually bit somebody. They are such sweet, loveable animals. Kind of like alligators and crocodiles.
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Fishwater (7/7/2009)
What media bias??? Are suggesting news outlets are targeting pit bulls?
You simply can not spin those numbers by suggesting that you need to know the quantities of the breeds. Thats ridiculous. I don't need to know how many lions are on the savannah to know that I'd rather not be out there with them.
You made some erroneous comments, don't try to defend them. Just sayin.
Wait a just a minute there fella. Fishwater (7/7/2009)
Google news for pit bulls, several more attacks over the holiday weekend. Spin it however you want, but statistics don't lie. Pits are more inclined to to unpredictable, aggressive behavior than any other breed. Those "statistics" you are talking about are all about numbers! Lets say that there are 10,000 bulldogs in the US and 500 attacks in a given period of time. Statistically, you run a 5 percent chance of being attacked or 5 percent of Pitbulls attack people, however you want to call it. Now on the other hand, let's say that there are 1000 Alaskan Malamutes in the US and 100 attacks over the same given period of time. Statistically, you run a 10 percent chance of being attacked or 10 percent of Alaskan Malamutes attack people. And just in case you didn't catch the significance of the numbers, my attack example is proportional to the numbers you posted in the CDC link. As for the total numbers in the US, I have no idea, but I am quite sure that there are far more Pitbulls than Alaskan Malamutes.
Now, just to let you know where I stand. I personally will not own a Pitbull, just isn't my preference for a dog. I do however have a neighbor who has one and does well around my son. A testimony to the way she is being raised. I have no issues with my neighbor having a Pitbull, that is his decision, just expect him to act accordingly and responsibly as an owner. My son isn't around the dog when there isn't direct adult supervision very close by. As much as I like my neighbor and value our friendship, I love my son lots more and will not act very well if his dog ever attacks my son, unprovoked. It will be a BAD day in paradise for the pitbull, but I will also say the same thing for my lab or any other breed of dog that might ever attack my son unprovoked. My wife was attacked by a dog at a young age and still bears the scar left on her cheek from the incident. It was an unprovoked attack and I have heard how my father-in-law reacted and know that my reaction would equal or exceed his in the event something like that happened to my son. .
I will now step down from my soap box.....
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shakeyjr (7/8/2009)
Fishwater (7/7/2009)
What media bias??? Are suggesting news outlets are targeting pit bulls?
You simply can not spin those numbers by suggesting that you need to know the quantities of the breeds. Thats ridiculous. I don't need to know how many lions are on the savannah to know that I'd rather not be out there with them.
You made some erroneous comments, don't try to defend them. Just sayin.
Wait a just a minute there fella. Fishwater (7/7/2009)
Google news for pit bulls, several more attacks over the holiday weekend. Spin it however you want, but statistics don't lie. Pits are more inclined to to unpredictable, aggressive behavior than any other breed. Those "statistics" you are talking about are all about numbers! Lets say that there are 10,000 bulldogs in the US and 500 attacks in a given period of time. Statistically, you run a 5 percent chance of being attacked or 5 percent of Pitbulls attack people, however you want to call it. Now on the other hand, let's say that there are 1000 Alaskan Malamutes in the US and 100 attacks over the same given period of time. Statistically, you run a 10 percent chance of being attacked or 10 percent of Alaskan Malamutes attack people. And just in case you didn't catch the significance of the numbers, my attack example is proportional to the numbers you posted in the CDC link. As for the total numbers in the US, I have no idea, but I am quite sure that there are far more Pitbulls than Alaskan Malamutes. Now, just to let you know where I stand. I personally will not own a Pitbull, just isn't my preference for a dog. I do however have a neighbor who has one and does well around my son. A testimony to the way she is being raised. I have no issues with my neighbor having a Pitbull, that is his decision, just expect him to act accordingly and responsibly as an owner. My son isn't around the dog when there isn't direct adult supervision very close by. As much as I like my neighbor and value our friendship, I love my son lots more and will not act very well if his dog ever attacks my son, unprovoked. It will be a BAD day in paradise for the pitbull, but I will also say the same thing for my lab or any other breed of dog that might ever attack my son unprovoked. My wife was attacked by a dog at a young age and still bears the scar left on her cheek from the incident. It was an unprovoked attack and I have heard how my father-in-law reacted and know that my reaction would equal or exceed his in the event something like that happened to my son. . I will now step down from my soap box..... Thanks, that was my point about the numbers being faulty. I am not pro-pitbull I just think the media is way faster to print the pitbull stories on page one and skip over the retriever attack at BPS because the pits are notorious, a practice with which I do not agree. I would never be comfortable with my kids around a pit and be on guard around any dog. My 23 y/o daughter who lives at her own house got a pit because it's "cool". I made her give it away. (it was fully grown with unknown background). Stepping down as well....
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shakeyjr (7/8/2009)
Fishwater (7/7/2009)
What media bias??? Are suggesting news outlets are targeting pit bulls?
You simply can not spin those numbers by suggesting that you need to know the quantities of the breeds. Thats ridiculous. I don't need to know how many lions are on the savannah to know that I'd rather not be out there with them.
You made some erroneous comments, don't try to defend them. Just sayin.
Wait a just a minute there fella. Fishwater (7/7/2009)
Google news for pit bulls, several more attacks over the holiday weekend. Spin it however you want, but statistics don't lie. Pits are more inclined to to unpredictable, aggressive behavior than any other breed. Those "statistics" you are talking about are all about numbers! Lets say that there are 10,000 bulldogs in the US and 500 attacks in a given period of time. Statistically, you run a 5 percent chance of being attacked or 5 percent of Pitbulls attack people, however you want to call it. Now on the other hand, let's say that there are 1000 Alaskan Malamutes in the US and 100 attacks over the same given period of time. Statistically, you run a 10 percent chance of being attacked or 10 percent of Alaskan Malamutes attack people. And just in case you didn't catch the significance of the numbers, my attack example is proportional to the numbers you posted in the CDC link. As for the total numbers in the US, I have no idea, but I am quite sure that there are far more Pitbulls than Alaskan Malamutes.
Now, just to let you know where I stand. I personally will not own a Pitbull, just isn't my preference for a dog. I do however have a neighbor who has one and does well around my son. A testimony to the way she is being raised. I have no issues with my neighbor having a Pitbull, that is his decision, just expect him to act accordingly and responsibly as an owner. My son isn't around the dog when there isn't direct adult supervision very close by. As much as I like my neighbor and value our friendship, I love my son lots more and will not act very well if his dog ever attacks my son, unprovoked. It will be a BAD day in paradise for the pitbull, but I will also say the same thing for my lab or any other breed of dog that might ever attack my son unprovoked. My wife was attacked by a dog at a young age and still bears the scar left on her cheek from the incident. It was an unprovoked attack and I have heard how my father-in-law reacted and know that my reaction would equal or exceed his in the event something like that happened to my son. .
I will now step down from my soap box.....
If you had to, would you leave your son alone in a room with an unknown pit bull or an unknown lab given those as your only choices. You have to leave him in a room with one of these two dogs for an hour. This is hypothetical so don't get back on your soap box to tell me that you wouldn't be in this situation, just answer - the pit or the lab. What'll be shakeyjr?
Now maybe both of you statisticians will see my point.
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pit lovers are going to defend pits until the day they get bit........ i mean die.
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Fishwater (7/8/2009)
If you had to, would you leave your son alone in a room with an unknown pit bull or an unknown lab given those as your only choices. You have to leave him in a room with one of these two dogs for an hour. This is hypothetical so don't get back on your soap box to tell me that you wouldn't be in this situation, just answer - the pit or the lab. What'll be shakeyjr?
Now maybe both of you statisticians will see my point.
You missed the whole point there fishwater.  You were the one that posted all the "statistics" info, then claimed that the percentage of a certain breed of dogs, as related to all breed of dogs owned, had nothing to do with "statistics". That is absolutely hilarious to me. Did you misspeak or are you just not very good/knowledgeable in mathematics? Please clarify better in the future your thoughts/comments.
As I see it you are/were strictly going off emotions and personal opinions/preferences, which is fine with me. However you were the one to mention, statistics. At that point you enter a whole new variable to the equation.
I see and agree with parts of your issue with pits, just don't agree with it wholeheartedly. If I have misread/misinterpreted what you intended to convey, by all means, please explain.
If you really want to get into the meat and potatoes of it, consider the means of research and how data was/is collected, or maybe not collected. Do some research as to why the very numbers that you referenced from the CDC are what they are. Here is a link to get you started: http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/
By the way, just to humor/answer your question, it would be a lab if I had those two choices and no way out. Just remember my previous post, heaven won't be able to help either one if harm is done to my little man!! It matters not to me if it is an ankle biter or a St Bernard, if your an animal lover, I would advise you to not be around.
I hope that I have better expressed my thoughts this time sir?
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shakeyjr (7/8/2009)
Fishwater (7/8/2009)
If you had to, would you leave your son alone in a room with an unknown pit bull or an unknown lab given those as your only choices. You have to leave him in a room with one of these two dogs for an hour. This is hypothetical so don't get back on your soap box to tell me that you wouldn't be in this situation, just answer - the pit or the lab. What'll be shakeyjr?
Now maybe both of you statisticians will see my point.
You missed the whole point there fishwater. You were the one that posted all the "statistics" info, then claimed that the percentage of a certain breed of dogs, as related to all breed of dogs owned, had nothing to do with "statistics". That is absolutely hilarious to me. Did you misspeak or are you just not very good/knowledgeable in mathematics? Please clarify better in the future your thoughts/comments.
As I see it you are/were strictly going off emotions and personal opinions/preferences, which is fine with me. However you were the one to mention, statistics. At that point you enter a whole new variable to the equation.
I see and agree with parts of your issue with pits, just don't agree with it wholeheartedly. If I have misread/misinterpreted what you intended to convey, by all means, please explain.
If you really want to get into the meat and potatoes of it, consider the means of research and how data was/is collected, or maybe not collected. Do some research as to why the very numbers that you referenced from the CDC are what they are. Here is a link to get you started: http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/
By the way, just to humor/answer your question, it would be a lab if I had those two choices and no way out. Just remember my previous post, heaven won't be able to help either one if harm is done to my little man!! It matters not to me if it is an ankle biter or a St Bernard, if your an animal lover, I would advise you to not be around.
I hope that I have better expressed my thoughts this time sir?
So, it would be the lab. Thanks.
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So do you just not debate very well? Do you not see the ignorance of your words/posts? Or are you so set in your opinion that you think it is "gospel?" Is there no other side for you?
It is hell trying to carry on an intelligent discussion with someone who knows absolutely everything?
To the original poster, I apologize for chasing this rabbit. It is a shame that a young child had to die in such a manner as did in the link you posted.
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