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Keep the oil rigs out of sight from Florida Beaches. Then I have no problem. I do NOT want tar balls washing up, as in Texas or Alabama. Those people take WD-40 to the beach along with the suntan lotion to spray their feet when leaving the beach.
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| When was the last time you went to Louisiana to spend the weekend on the beach?
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Josey Wales (2/8/2010)
When was the last time you went to Louisiana to spend the weekend on the beach?That has nothing to do with the rigs. Its a delta from the Mississippi river and would look that way regardless. THey have a naturely silty/muddy sediment down there and we have a sandy one
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Josey Wales (2/8/2010)
When was the last time you went to Louisiana to spend the weekend on the beach?The only Beaches Louisana has is accessed by boat only, as they are south of the marsh, which is now open water. As the Mississippi River has been harnessed and all the water flows into the Gulf instead of through the marsh. Now that is whole differant subject. Which includes the pipe lines dug through the 70's and 80's allowed for salt water intrusion into brackish water, killing the marsh and washing it away. The oil companies did dig those.
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| i say drill. keep them far enough off shore we cant see them. which seems a popular view. now here is something that is not so popular. im am tired of being blackmailed by the military. "if you dont do what we say, we will pull out of your community". ever since brac its been this way. pensacola needs to have other means besides the military. i think offshore drilling would be a good start. offshore drilling is also good for the country. we have plenty of domestic resources. we need to quit giving all our money to the very people who want to destroy us. when gas prices went to $4.00 a gallon a lot of folks were singing a different tune. dont think they wont go right back up and maybe even higher the next time. some folks need to lose the nimby tude.
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| Nextstep- I don't see how setting up drilling rigs off our shores is going to benifit our community. I for one love having the military here. There are very few places you can be out fishing in your boat and watch jets fly by at the same time. Let alone the Blue Angels. I would hate to see Pensacola turned into another LA. Oil pipelines everywhere, refinerys. I just think it would take away from what Pensacola is. The $4.00 a gallon oil prices was just greed from the same oil companies that are wanting to drill here. The price of fuel isn't going to go down if they drill here.
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i say drill. keep them far enough off shore we cant see them. which seems a popular view. now here is something that is not so popular. im am tired of being blackmailed by the military. "if you dont do what we say, we will pull out of your community". ever since brac its been this way. pensacola needs to have other means besides the military. i think offshore drilling would be a good start. offshore drilling is also good for the country. we have plenty of domestic resources. we need to quit giving all our money to the very people who want to destroy us. when gas prices went to $4.00 a gallon a lot of folks were singing a different tune. dont think they wont go right back up and maybe even higher the next time. some folks need to lose the nimby tude. +1 Well put!
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Wordless Wednesday: The Benefits of Offshore Drilling Wednesday June 18, 2008
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This is a highly controversial issue. Always has been and always will be........ Do nothing and stay the way we are right now (maybe a little better, or worse) Or, better yet, try and do something. We in the NWFL area are a “service” oriented area. If there is no one to service, then what? I guess we all “service” each other till we are all broke. Just look at the business that have already closed, look at the number of businesses that are operating on “reduced hours” Look at the people that want a job to eat etc. Bottom line from where I am sitting, we don’t have much to offer tourists, okay a little white sand and limited parking….. Same to the East of us. To the West (Mobile and further out west) Cruise ships, working shipyards, stores with the lights on, blah, blah, blah Hummm, what are we missing? The ole, “NOT IN MY BACKYARD” thought process, will do nothing but bring more of the same old stuff. Everyone complaining about where is the money going to come from? Higher Taxes, cost hikes, to keep up with someone else. In hopes we can get some vacationers here to rent a hotel room? I am a BIG fan of the Military as well I am retired Navy, but the military alone can not support local government. We need to have an industry in this area (Escambia County) that makes something. Get out of “some” of the service industry, and mix in a little of the manufacturing industry. Diversify our selves, or we all know what will happen. High(er) unemployment, more crime, living in squalor…… If you “limit yourself” you are “limiting the community you are supporting and living in” I agree about keeping them “offshore” but you wait, there will be sooner or later, rigs off the Florida coasts. They may not be ours, but they will be there none the less. Then what? I am tired of being “face down in a pillow” and trying to figure out what happened when I get up. DRILL BABY, DRILL, but do it in a "SMART" WAY"
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| Im pretty passionate about this subject. Not because my father and brother are in the business, but because I have been diving under production platforms and fishing them since 1985. Spiney oysters, lobsters, manta rays, cobia, trigger, snapper, grouper, all populate these platforms. We begin to see the Petronious at about 12-14 miles. Its is as tall as any of the platforms. Sniper, it seems you have been and some others have been spoon fed some bad info. Tar balls occur naturally when they seep out of the seafloor. It just means there is an oil deposit close to the seafloor. There was a study done last year by one of the Florida Universities that said that the danger of an oil spill is much more likely to occur from incoming and outgoing tankers coming in and out of Florida ports. Are we moving tward stopping them as well? As for swimming in Galveston, I have... the water is brown like it is over in Biloxi. I did'nt see any oil slick. The GOM is more polluted from the trash thrown off shrimp boats than anything from a platform. The Port of Fourchon, LA probably employs 2000 shore based employees. The boat crews probably make up at least that many. I have worked on oilfield and tugs since 1992. It would be nice to drive to work in Pensacola rather than a 4 hour drive west.. Thats being selfish, but the $$$ flowing out of our economy (980 + Million) or roughly 1 babababillion dollars A DAY going to nations that hate America. I say we grow up and look closely at who is behind these efforts to stop drilling ANYWHERE in the US. Who does that benefit most? If you answered OPEC, come get your cigar. Lets make the line at 12 miles. All anyone from the beach might see is a speck on the horizon. At night, they may see lights.. but thats about all. Many years ago, a big triggerfish bit me on the thigh, I was bleeding badly and although I had bandages, my antiseptic bottle was empty. A PHI helicopter pilot passed me some Iodine and alchol to rinse the wound. These platforms are mostly manned and that can be a great thing for a boater that may be in trouble. Hope this didnt run too long. Just 2 informed cents. Capt Jim www.aquaventurecharters.com
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| To begin with. The structures you see off the beach in Alabama are platforms that support the well heads and pipe lines not oli rigs. They are what's left when the actual oil rig is finished drilling the well. The big push in drilling is deep water, using sunmerable rigs or floating rigs. Not much chance of seeing them from the beach. I drilled eight or ten wells off of Mobile and Gulf Shores. in each case the rig was 100% zero discharge. Meaning nothing went into the gulf, not even the rain water that drained from the deck. It was all sent to barges moored to the rig. We were told that if we were fishing we couldn't even pour the gulf water we were using to keep our live bait in, back into the gulf. The Alabama environmental division didn't play around. We were driving pipe one time and the disel hammer was spitting drops of either oil or unburned diesel from the exhaust into the gulf. We had to shut down and enclose that section of the hammer with plywood and Exon was fined several thousand dollars. It's not the same operation the enviromentalist want you to believe, with oil blowing up through the derrick every time they hit a pay zone. Most times the majority of the people on the rig won't even know oil was found. In deep water drilling when the well is completed and put on line nothing is at the surface. It's all sub sea. It's not very realistic to say "yeah, let them drill so we can have another spot to fish", but it would definately help the fuel shortageand possibly keep the gas price from going through the roof
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Im pretty passionate about this subject. Not because my father and brother are in the business, but because I have been diving under production platforms and fishing them since 1985. Spiney oysters, lobsters, manta rays, cobia, trigger, snapper, grouper, all populate these platforms. We begin to see the Petronious at about 12-14 miles. Its is as tall as any of the platforms. Sniper, it seems you have been and some others have been spoon fed some bad info. Tar balls occur naturally when they seep out of the seafloor. It just means there is an oil deposit close to the seafloor. There was a study done last year by one of the Florida Universities that said that the danger of an oil spill is much more likely to occur from incoming and outgoing tankers coming in and out of Florida ports. Are we moving tward stopping them as well? As for swimming in Galveston, I have... the water is brown like it is over in Biloxi. I did'nt see any oil slick. The GOM is more polluted from the trash thrown off shrimp boats than anything from a platform. The Port of Fourchon, LA probably employs 2000 shore based employees. The boat crews probably make up at least that many. I have worked on oilfield and tugs since 1992. It would be nice to drive to work in Pensacola rather than a 4 hour drive west.. Thats being selfish, but the $$$ flowing out of our economy (980 + Million) or roughly 1 babababillion dollars A DAY going to nations that hate America. I say we grow up and look closely at who is behind these efforts to stop drilling ANYWHERE in the US. Who does that benefit most? If you answered OPEC, come get your cigar. Lets make the line at 12 miles. All anyone from the beach might see is a speck on the horizon. At night, they may see lights.. but thats about all. Many years ago, a big triggerfish bit me on the thigh, I was bleeding badly and although I had bandages, my antiseptic bottle was empty. A PHI helicopter pilot passed me some Iodine and alchol to rinse the wound. These platforms are mostly manned and that can be a great thing for a boater that may be in trouble. Hope this didnt run too long. Just 2 informed cents. Capt Jim www.aquaventurecharters.com +1. DRILL!!!! It makes ABSOLUTLEY no sense not to if there are oil/natural gas deposits!!!! It helps the local economy, ENHANCES fish populations, and could lessen our dependance on foreign countries. I would much rather have offshore rigs than seeing a multi million dollar jet flying around for fun sucking up 10,00gl of fuel per hour that WE pay for!! These rigs have practically zero negative effects and hundreds of positive effects. I don't understand why any AMERICAN would be against them(except they might be ugly  Pensacola, from what I understand, was founded as and will always be a port city. The traffic,wrecks, garbage, pollution etc from all these ships has had a FAR more detrimental effect on the local ecology than thousands of rigs could ever do.
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| Bubba! Epic post so laden with truth that I must raise my glass to you. Finally, another oil/gas person that "gets it". The people against drilling are 2 layers... maybe 4 deep. Just follow the money that funds them. All they have to do is make some fatalist claim. The beaches will be ruined if they drill for ANYTHING>They all claim to know this and know that... but in the end, they have an agenda. That would be.. Stop Drilling for US oil/gas. What a transparent agenda. Remember that silly "no drill no spill". How about ... NO FUEL NO FISH!!!!
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| Just a couple of observations. I guess I have a slanted view. Natural Gas and the industry feeds my family. It's the same thing over and over..."I want gas for my car, I want gas for my stove, I want gas for my boat, I want my TV, fridge, Stereo, lights, a/c, etc, etc..., just, don't ask for my home state to chip in for that source of fuel"...... 1. Most of the drilling is gonna be gas wells off of Florida, some oil for sure in the form of condensate, but, mostly gas... 2. Two Florida Power and Light plants are being built right now. Both will be powered by natural gas. (Not coal or nuke) 3. You don't have to import natural gas. 4. Natural gas is one of the "cleaner" fuels. As for seeing the rigs offshore?? What you see is this... 
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Give me a Job. Give me security. Give me a chance to survive. I think a person should be more worried about the scenery around town that they look at everyday and all the abandoned structures and homes falling apart from the lack of jobs then something you will have to get in a boat to go see if its still there. I say Drill Away and lets get this community back on its feet and bring in some jobs.
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| One spill is all its going to take to ruin our pristine white sandy beaches. Without them there goes our tourism. Without that there goes our jobs. Without that there goes our economy , with the exception of the military and how long will it be before they leave after something like that. Write your officials and tell them you DO NOT WANT DRILLING IN THE GULF !
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Big B (2/8/2010)
One spill is all its going to take to ruin our pristine white sandy beaches. Without them there goes our tourism. Without that there goes our jobs. Without that there goes our economy , with the exception of the military and how long will it be before they leave after something like that. Write your officials and tell them you DO NOT WANT DRILLING IN THE GULF !I'm not trying to stir things up, I just want to understand what you mean by "SPILL". A tanker?? They cross the shipping lanes everyday. Right around the Steps area. A tanker from the production platform? They don't use tankers, they use pipelines. The well blowing up? That is what ESD systems are for, to shut them in in emergencies. As Bubba stated, rigs today are to be "zero discharge". There is a pipeline running from Coden Alabama to Tampa. Between the Spur and Destin. Ya'll know that? Moves about a billion cubic feet a day of natural gas. This is not yours or my Grandparents drilling and production. There are litearlly mountains of rules and regulations for the industry to answer to. Like I said, make an informed decision. Not a kneejerk one........
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| My understanding is also that Natural Gas being pumped is not clean as most people seem to think . Anyone with experience care to elaborate ?
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Big B (2/8/2010)
One spill is all its going to take to ruin our pristine white sandy beaches. Without them there goes our tourism. Without that there goes our jobs. Without that there goes our economy , with the exception of the military and how long will it be before they leave after something like that. Write your officials and tell them you DO NOT WANT DRILLING IN THE GULF !Look up the chances of a spill occuring from a well. It is much more likely from the tankers which are already here
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| Out of site from land... HUGE penalties for waste on the beaches (I don't care if it's caused by a Cat V hurricane) GO FOR IT!!! Jim
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| Roughly each cubic foot of natural gas contains 1% Propane .2% Butane .2% Isobutane .1% Pentane .1% Isopentane .025% Neo-pentane 3.5% Ethane 2% CO2 1.5% Nitrogen .5% Hexanes+ (Octane, nonanes, etc...) Balance (Over 92%) is Methane Figure just off the top of my head. A very generic makeup though. Natural Gas is not poisonous, it is an asphixation hazard in an enclosed area, it is highly flamable. So, yes, it can be dangerous. However, it does burn cleaner than coal, oil, or even wood...
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My understanding is also that Natural Gas being pumped is not clean as most people seem to think . Anyone with experience care to elaborate ?Would you like a guided tour?
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One spill is all its going to take to ruin our pristine white sandy beaches. Without them there goes our tourism. Without that there goes our jobs. Without that there goes our economy , with the exception of the military and how long will it be before they leave after something like that. Write your officials and tell them you DO NOT WANT DRILLING IN THE GULF !Look up the chances of a spill occuring from a well. It is much more likely from the tankers which are already here Very true....
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| Thanks for the support guys !! I hope some of you come down to the courtyard across the street from Bud and Allys bar on 30A on Sunday morning !!
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My understanding is also that Natural Gas being pumped is not clean as most people seem to think . Anyone with experience care to elaborate ?Would you like a guided tour? Wade, I would LOVE a guided tour... I love cool technology... make me number 1 on the list! Jim
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A few people on here I consider very intellegent have made some strong points. I have even done some more research on my own and found that the military may be softening on their stand as well. I would be willing to consider it if it stays out of sight.
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My understanding is also that Natural Gas being pumped is not clean as most people seem to think . Anyone with experience care to elaborate ?Would you like a guided tour? Wade, I would LOVE a guided tour... I love cool technology... make me number 1 on the list! Jim I couldn't agree more. I find myself mesmerized at the sight of the rigs and wondering how they work most of the time when I am out there. They are an amazing feat of AMERICAN engineering! Put me down for #2
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| I moved here from Texas and we love oil. In the early 70' there were tar balls on the beaches from the oil rigs. But that was 40 years ago and the Texas beaches have not had tar balls in 30 years. The fishing is great and those with boats love the rigs as they act like small reafs and hold fish. When Katrina came through she took out a lot of rigs. I read where the total oil spillage was equal to a 55 gal drum being pored out. Considering that oil seeps out of the floor of the Gulf on its own that amount of spillage was no big deal. Keep in mind that the folks protesting against drilling are the same folks who believe in global warming. If you are really paying attention you know that that theory is falling apart as the data was filled with lies.
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I'm with the drill but keep it out of sight crowd. It's hypocritical to complain about high gas prices and then say don't drill in my backyard. As far as the Air Force, I would think the Gulf is big enough for both. Couldn't the drilling be confined to a relatively small area that the AF could avoid? Also, I wonder how a few rigs keep the AF from flying around over the Gulf? We need to drill in ANWR too. Most of it is a wasteland with nothing but a few caribou.
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| The problem with the job issue is that when a rig moves into the area it will already be staffed. Most "hands" as they're called travel from location to location with the rig. I'f it's a deep water rig they may drill off the coast of Florida but fly from Mississippi, Alabama or Louisiana. What jobs that may be created could be from the supply boats and support base but then again it depends where, off the coast of Florida they drill
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